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*sigh* losing Maine is a huge disappointment...
BUT... DC is progress... still hopeful...
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November 4th, 2009 04:15 am #16
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My heart sank when I heard the news this morning. When I went to bed last night the early results showed the "No on 1" ahead 55% to 45% and I was optimistic. The conservatives were out in full force, though... I've been hearing their ads on the local Maine stations. Ugh. This is New England, for crying out loud!
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November 4th, 2009 05:07 am #17
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"Absence sharpens love, presence strengthens it."
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November 4th, 2009 08:08 am #18
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I wonder how many people who voted FOR gay marriage had to sit back and watch their own church, where they had contributed money, put that money toward reversing what they had voted for in the first place. I would be very angry that my church was putting my money toward that. If that isn't the case, then where were all these opposing voters when the gay marriage rights passed in the first place? grrr....
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November 4th, 2009 08:12 am #19
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They probably sat back and thought "that will never pass HERE. There's no gay people HERE"... well, they were wrong.. and now they want to fight it. idiots.
Originally Posted by tempest
edited to add: if you didn't vote on an issue in the first place, you shouldn't be allowed to vote on it ever again... if you didn't care THEN enough to take your ass to the polls, why should your voice be heard NOW? *steps off soap box*"Absence sharpens love, presence strengthens it."
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November 4th, 2009 08:40 am #20
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The original decision was legislated into law in Maine. It wasn't voted on. When gay rights have been voted upon, we have lost in most cases (all cases?).
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November 4th, 2009 09:04 am #21
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Reesa wrote:
For real, reesa?? Not voting, for whatever reason, should disqualifiy someone from ever voting again?? Wow. Are you really okay with that?? Why?edited to add: if you didn't vote on an issue in the first place, you shouldn't be allowed to vote on it ever again... if you didn't care THEN enough to take your ass to the polls, why should your voice be heard NOW? *steps off soap box*"I am always afraid, I am never afraid." - Eve Ensler
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November 4th, 2009 06:58 pm #22
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Yes it is. I think it was closer than in CA but that does not make it feel any worse.
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November 4th, 2009 07:34 pm #23
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I think she meant if you didn't vote on a particular issue, then you shouldn'e be allowed to vote on that particular issue if it's brought up again in the future, especially if you didn't like the first outcome and now you're like, OMG, we need a RE-VOTE on that!!! I can get that. Because the way I see it, anytime a proposition either passees or fails, it's because the majority of those who cared, got up and voted...then it passes or fails and there is an uproar of protest. How can there be an uproar of protest if it was voted for or against by the majority? Because, those who said "oh, that will never pass here" now feel cheated. My thoughts, anyway. Regardless of that, I don't feel as if the issue of gay marriage should even be UP TO anyone else to vote for or against... Originally Posted by BethM
I'm pissed that when we had the proposition up for election here, about 4 years ago I think, many of my co-workers made absolute certain they got off to go to the polls. Many of them flat out admitted they didn't even know what else was on the ballots, they were just going to vote against gay marriage...I was disgusted.Last edited by sadie_mc; November 4th, 2009 at 07:45 pm.
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November 4th, 2009 07:47 pm #24
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I'm saddened to think that a lot of my coworkers would do the same. On one hand, I don't want to take it personally. But on the other hand...how can I (we) NOT take it personally??? Originally Posted by sadie_mc
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November 4th, 2009 07:50 pm #25
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It is personal. People who put restrictions on others' rights, that's personal. Originally Posted by Resolved
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November 5th, 2009 09:38 am #26
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You know, though, I GET what Beth is talking about. Try putting the shoe on the other foot. Imagine a law passing that said, oh I dunno, like you have to wear a christian cross around your neck. No exceptions. You didn't get to vote on it. Yes, you cared. Yes you wanted to. But then at the last minute your kid got sick and it kept you from the polls. Luckily some folks are fighting back and have got a new proposal on the vote to reverse the law for wearing crosses. This time you are able to get out and vote. BUT... if you weren't allowed because you didn't vote the first time around, would that be fair?
Or what if you voted, but changed your mind. Someone talked some sense into you. Whatever.
Voting is a freedom we fought for in America. It has to be available to all with no restrictions. The trick is to get people out to do it, not to keep them from doing it.
all just my opinion, of course."And in the fearless, reckless pursuit of intimate love it is not the destination, it's the journey."
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November 5th, 2009 02:12 pm #27
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Nope, not at all, and I get that angle too. Just as I get frustrated with people who don't vote only because they didn't want to get out there and now they're squaking. I'm greatful that we have the freedom to vote, period. Originally Posted by tempest
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November 6th, 2009 03:11 pm #28
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it is Washington State...not washington DC Originally Posted by ReEsA722
You can choose to live in fear - or you can choose to live as the best version of yourself.
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November 8th, 2009 06:18 am #29
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This time in Wa state we won! Originally Posted by frangipani
But what was really bad or maybe I just should not expect any support is the DNC of this administrating shooting us in the foot by not only denying us support, but directing likely supporters/volunteers to spend their limited free-time on other campaigns.
I'm glad he is MY president but sorry, the GayTM is closed.
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November 16th, 2009 10:31 am #30
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OK, maybe not exactly like that... I can't really explain how I feel about it, but kinda like if you don't care about an issue, why vote on it? BUT, I see your point... and I can see where Sadie and Tempest are coming from too... it's true, voting is a right that I'm glad to have. Originally Posted by BethM
Oh, Shear, I was talking about DC recognizing marriages performed in other states... and they're also talking about allowing marriages too... I'll try to find the article I read that in... I have a print out of it from the college's library."Absence sharpens love, presence strengthens it."
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